Global Warming Hoax

[Leonard]

Here's what I believe. And you can feel free to add your own response.

Climate change is a natural phenomenon. The earth has natural cycles of heating and cooling which is primarily driven by solar cycles. If the temperature of the earth is going to warm, there's not much we can do about it if that heating is caused by sun spots.

Besides, in recent years, the earth has actually been COOLING -- not warming! The IPCC scientists have been spinning, trying to work out how to keep the "warming" story going. They've even resorted to fudging the numbers, as has been revealed by the climategate scandal. Before that, a lot of people SUSPECTED that the data was being manipulated, but they (the IPCC) would never release that data, so critics were labeled as conspiracy theorists.

Lastly, I am all for the preservation of nature, forests, not raping the earth for her resources, keeping the air clean, etc. However, distributing "carbon credits" and dictating who can and cannot manufacture is NOT the solution to that at all. In short, the globalist carbon tax scheme has absolutely NOTHING to do with the environment, but has more to do with building a new world "environment based religion", where the clergy gets to dictate what people can and can't do. They also have the power to let the people buy "indulgences", ie: "carbon credits".

In short, we should look after the earth and of course not pollute it, but this whole "global warming" thing that has been drummed into out heads, even since I was in the third grade is nothing more than a globalist curriculum to indoctrinate the world about the new religion, and I'm off it!

[Brian H]

I voted "I don't know what to think".  The problem is that the study of climate change is an experiment with a sample of 1 (the earth), with no control group, and where you can't wait for the experiment to finish before making your conclusions.  It's so difficult to do proper science under such conditions that I can't see how we can make any solid conclusion one way or the other.

As for what climate change is politically, I think it's used by whoever sees it as useful to whatever their goals are, same as with other issues that used to be scientific but became dominated by politics or commerce.  That's distinct from what climate change is scientifically.

Regarding the leaked emails, I have yet to see any evidence of manipulation of data there.  The idea that the phrase "hide the decline" means some sort of deliberate data manipulation is a hoax - the issue is that proxy data was replaced by actual measurements only recently, and the proxy data is less accurate.  So they have to find some way to merge these data sources sensibly.  And that's not an easy problem to solve.  Merging them directly would show a decline in temperature when there has been no such decline in reality, just because the data sources are measured differently.  So how to merge the data such that there is not a sudden decline when switching from proxy data to directly measured data?

Example: Let's say I measure temperature in the center of Melbourne city for 10 years.  Then I measure temperature up on Mount Dandenong for another 10 years.  If I merge these data sets, there will be a decline in temperature from the first 10 years to the second 10 years.  That's not because there was any REAL decline, but because measurement methods changed.

[Leonard]

Exactly! ..and that's what the IPCC has done. They have selected "particular" data sets, and they have merged them to create the famous "Hockey Stick" graph, that Al Gore used in his documentary.

Also, "hide the decline" isn't the only thing that these emails revealed. There are also statements such as: one guy wanted to beat another guy (a critic) up, and is "tempted to"! ..and that it's a "travesty" that they cannot prove that warming is continuing. It's the whole "aura" of these emails which indicates that they are tripping over themselves, trying to perpetuate this global warming hoax. There's also a lot of references where they talked about how to persecute particular scientists who did not agree. They even stooped as low as trying to have PHD's taken from people. From what I understand, and I have spent weeks researching, these people who work for the "UN Sponsored" IPCC are nothing short of a climate mafia!

Then, if I tie in other research that I have already done, that the UN was founded by the very same families that founded the league of nations, who also colluded to cause both world war one AND world war 2 - and DID profit from those wars, but funding both sides, the whole United Nations, globalism, IPCC situation stinks like a rotten fish that's been under a car seat for 3 weeks in the summer.

These days, all I have to hear is "United Nations", or "IPCC", or "Rothschild", or "Rockefeller", or "Lord so and so", and I am immediately researching to find out what the SCAM is, because there always IS (a scam). These people, these entities and the corporations they control are so powerful that they think themselves to be a class above the common person, and they wholeheartedly believe that be cause they are the ones with the power, then it's only "natural" and "fitting" that they be the ones to start playing "God". That's why these very same people, organizations, institutions and entities are carrying out eugenics programs across the globe, introducing curriculum's to "indoctrinate" the masses (who they despise), and to literally create a global "climate religion" where they play God and are literally "bowed" to. They don't call themselves "Lords" and "Sir's" for nothing! Let me tell you.

[Brian H]

If you know there's a scam, then you will find one.  That's what happens when you set out to find something specific, you ALWAYS find it, whether it is there or not.

I agree that Michael Mann is pretty nasty with his fellow scientists.  But he is just one person.  Did you find any emails not by Michael Mann which backed up his strategies?

[Leonard]

I know what you're saying -- and in general, I agree. However, I feel confident that if I set out to find a scam and don't find one, I will keep my opinion reserved. I don't set out to find a scam (off the bat).. the only reason I set out trying to find a scam is when the people I am researching have been proven to be scam artists, time and time again.

Regarding those climategate emails, there are emails from many people. I don't recall off the top of my head all the people involved. However, that branch of research is almost always "next" once I've gotten the "drift" -- because once I start looking up "names" I am always surprised to find that they're all caught up with the very same other "names", "corporations", "entities" and "organizations" that I was reading a scam about the day before.

[Knuckles]

I believe the globe is warming up due to natyral cycles such as the Sun etc, I don't believe 'WE' really have much to do with it though, if we do the percentage is much lower than they say no doubt.  Two words:



CARBON TAX!



Yes, that's all this enviromental poop is about, OUR money.  I believe it's good to look after the enviroment, it isn't wrong and so things like recycaling and stuff is fine, but the governments are pushing it too much and making mountains out of mole hills to control us...as usual.

Ok, I have not read any of your views yet, will do.


"""""because I said to her in front of the class, that she was giving us false information. She did ask me how I knew this, I said,  I can't say but I do know what I am saying is the truth,  Man did I make some friend's,  Not.  Everyone thought I was weird or some sort of freak, for knowing thing's that they don't, but I got over it, People will always find out in the end :-)"""""

That is admirable mate, I want opportunities to stand up for truth.  Very often in life the truth is stranger than fiction, and the school systems are all corrupt too, they teach you how to regurgitate lies on paper now, not to think.  indoctrination, I also believe evolution belongs in the 'lie' pile.

[Leonard]

I'm glad I am not the only one who see's this, I was fed up with school by the end of year ten, and told the same think to my mum, that I felt the school was teaching false information, and I didn't want that stuff in my head. Not all information was bad, just most of it lol

I also had great trouble listening to anything I was taught in school. I didn't start actually learning anything until I'd left.

[Phydeaux]

I am just really skeptical of anything the government tries to push on us.  Especially now a days and especially things that deal with HUGE amounts of cash.

I think California should start taxing oxygen.  Everyone knows all the forest fires are getting worse; cut down the reserves before we are all consumed in flames! (j/k)

[Leonard]

I am just really skeptical of anything the government tries to push on us.  Especially now a days and especially things that deal with HUGE amounts of cash.

I think California should start taxing oxygen.  Everyone knows all the forest fires are getting worse; cut down the reserves before we are all consumed in flames! (j/k)

I am exactly the same. If the government is pushing something, there's something up!

[Knuckles]

I've heard that the climate is cooling again!   Is this true?  No doubt they will push the lie further to sanction this Carbon Tax rubbish.

[Leonard]

Yes it is cooling mate. It has been cooing for years. Before the word "global warming" was used everywhere. But when everyone cottoned on to the fact that the globe isn't warming, the clowns propagating this big hoax started saying: "Well it's CLIMATE CHANGE"!

..yeah, well -- the climate has been "changing" since day one. Of course there's climate change. But that doesn't mean we have to turn it into a boogeyman. That's like running up to people screaming: "The earth is turning dark and cold!" (referring to the fact that night time has come).

People are amazing.

[Knuckles]

People are amazing!   that's true.

I wander how much I'll be taxed?    I have a rather fat ass.  

"Mega Cheese Burger sir? That'll be £7 ... Plus £4 because your a fat worm killing the earth.  Pig."

.........

"O..k."

"Oh and, because it's so big we will charge you another £2 because of the extra packaging....................and another £1 for the recycling costs."

[Leonard]

That's coming... don't worry about that.

[Knuckles]

That's coming... don't worry about that.

Nah, I'm not really worrying mate, maybie the thought of paying stupid money will actually do two positive things, reduce carbon for what it's worth on there level 9authough it's bull) due to less food being brought, and persuade us to eat more greens.

But no, I guess then we will be taxed on brussel Sprouts because they make you fart, more gas in the atmosphere!

[WalterM]

I think it has it's cycles. Who knows what we had 6 centuries ago and who knows what we will have 2 centuries from now.
It's a natural phenominon and humans act it as well.